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	<description>Picking out patterns in the chaos</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 20:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://strange.corante.com/2006/06/04/comment-is-fked#comment-3621</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without the freedom to comment, how the heck would we know what everyone else was thinking. That would not be a very fun world to live in, thats for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without the freedom to comment, how the heck would we know what everyone else was thinking. That would not be a very fun world to live in, thats for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Suw Charman-Anderson</title>
		<link>http://strange.corante.com/2006/06/04/comment-is-fked#comment-2952</link>
		<dc:creator>Suw Charman-Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, the preview button vanished when we moved over from MT to Wordpress, which happened yesterday afternoon! You are awake, it's the blog that changed. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, the preview button vanished when we moved over from MT to Wordpress, which happened yesterday afternoon! You are awake, it&#8217;s the blog that changed. <img src='http://strange.corante.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://strange.corante.com/2006/06/04/comment-is-fked#comment-2950</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(and where did that preview button go, anyway?  am I awake?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(and where did that preview button go, anyway?  am I awake?)</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://strange.corante.com/2006/06/04/comment-is-fked#comment-2949</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miscommunication, sorry -
When I'd said above "alas, corante doesn’t allow this" I meant bolding of part of one's comment - the "preview" had stripped it out.
Trying bolding again: &lt;b&gt;.test test&lt;/b&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miscommunication, sorry -<br />
When I&#8217;d said above &#8220;alas, corante doesn’t allow this&#8221; I meant bolding of part of one&#8217;s comment - the &#8220;preview&#8221; had stripped it out.<br />
Trying bolding again: <b>.test test</b><br />
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		<title>By: Kevin Anderson</title>
		<link>http://strange.corante.com/2006/06/04/comment-is-fked#comment-2045</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna,

I'll agree that when one is attacked, it's natural to respond in kind. However, my point was and still is that if you start the conversation in full battle mode with a senselessly provocative piece, in an age of interaction, it is hardly surprising that the conversation ends where it began: Full of vitriol and name-calling. As I often say, if one wants lots of comments, it's a pretty straight-forward process of picking a hot button issue and pressing those buttons as hard as possible, which seems to be the interactive 'strategy' of too many news sites. Technology will only go so far in addressing community issues. One has to have an effective content strategy to maintain civility and intelligence, if that is, in fact, one's goal.

There are some systems as you describe, in terms that people can vote up or down comments. The Bakersfield has developed and sells one. One can choose to see comments that have only reached a level of approval. However, I'm not aware of a commenting system that allows the type of filtering that you're describing. Please point me in the direction of one if you know of it.

You should be able to use basic HTML and highlight what you wish using the Movable Type system that we use here.

Being a niche site, we don't usually get this many comments. This post has been one of those in the long tail, slowly accruing comments over the two years since I wrote it. But as I said, technology is only part of the solution. Thanks for the comment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree that when one is attacked, it&#8217;s natural to respond in kind. However, my point was and still is that if you start the conversation in full battle mode with a senselessly provocative piece, in an age of interaction, it is hardly surprising that the conversation ends where it began: Full of vitriol and name-calling. As I often say, if one wants lots of comments, it&#8217;s a pretty straight-forward process of picking a hot button issue and pressing those buttons as hard as possible, which seems to be the interactive &#8217;strategy&#8217; of too many news sites. Technology will only go so far in addressing community issues. One has to have an effective content strategy to maintain civility and intelligence, if that is, in fact, one&#8217;s goal.</p>
<p>There are some systems as you describe, in terms that people can vote up or down comments. The Bakersfield has developed and sells one. One can choose to see comments that have only reached a level of approval. However, I&#8217;m not aware of a commenting system that allows the type of filtering that you&#8217;re describing. Please point me in the direction of one if you know of it.</p>
<p>You should be able to use basic HTML and highlight what you wish using the Movable Type system that we use here.</p>
<p>Being a niche site, we don&#8217;t usually get this many comments. This post has been one of those in the long tail, slowly accruing comments over the two years since I wrote it. But as I said, technology is only part of the solution. Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Haynes</title>
		<link>http://strange.corante.com/2006/06/04/comment-is-fked#comment-2044</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's acknowledge that when you are attacked it's human nature to want to attack back.  And sometimes it's hard to resist the temptation.

I think

**** the future of comments lies in filtering ****

- what's the point of making a comment, if readers are so fed up by the tripe before yours that they never see it?

Make the filters voluntary, and those who want (and want to be) the Wild West can have it, while those that want civil informed commentary can have that.

For example: skimming through the 20+ comments before mine it would have been great to see each one's main point highlighted in bold (or color, or whatever).
(alas, corante doesn't allow this...)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s acknowledge that when you are attacked it&#8217;s human nature to want to attack back.  And sometimes it&#8217;s hard to resist the temptation.</p>
<p>I think</p>
<p>**** the future of comments lies in filtering ****</p>
<p>- what&#8217;s the point of making a comment, if readers are so fed up by the tripe before yours that they never see it?</p>
<p>Make the filters voluntary, and those who want (and want to be) the Wild West can have it, while those that want civil informed commentary can have that.</p>
<p>For example: skimming through the 20+ comments before mine it would have been great to see each one&#8217;s main point highlighted in bold (or color, or whatever).<br />
(alas, corante doesn&#8217;t allow this&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: scuba_sm</title>
		<link>http://strange.corante.com/2006/06/04/comment-is-fked#comment-2043</link>
		<dc:creator>scuba_sm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One issue I have with requiring real names linked to "real world" identities to comment on a blog is that once you do that, it's out there forever. Once your name (and whatever you used to verify that the name is your own) has been used and posted, it is available to each and every one of the 6 billion people on this planet, and each use of that identity is searchable in a way that no other form of communication or self expression is. When you are talking with your buddies at the bar, your boss can't hear them while eating breakfast the next morning. Everything you do under a unified ID, especially one that is linked to your real identity (even if you use multiple aliases linked to your real ID) is searchable and can be compiled and datamined very quickly. If you're in doubt, I invite you to read the following NYT article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1&#038;oref=slogin

In the end, it doesn't truly matter what name someone chooses to go by. What matters is their contribution to the community over a period of time. Individuals can come to be regarded as pillars of the online community whether they are known as "Mr.Sillypants" or "John H. Smith" based on their actions and contributions.

Additionally, in the very short term, after one vitriolic comment, knowing my real name isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. However, requiring a credit card, or a driver's license, or a passport, etc, simply raises barriers to entry. One of the beautiful things about the internet is that the barriers to entry are dropping every second, and people can communicate relatively free of the initial stigmas and biases that persistently arise in meatspace based on things like clothes, age, sex, class, orientation, race and citizenship.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One issue I have with requiring real names linked to &#8220;real world&#8221; identities to comment on a blog is that once you do that, it&#8217;s out there forever. Once your name (and whatever you used to verify that the name is your own) has been used and posted, it is available to each and every one of the 6 billion people on this planet, and each use of that identity is searchable in a way that no other form of communication or self expression is. When you are talking with your buddies at the bar, your boss can&#8217;t hear them while eating breakfast the next morning. Everything you do under a unified ID, especially one that is linked to your real identity (even if you use multiple aliases linked to your real ID) is searchable and can be compiled and datamined very quickly. If you&#8217;re in doubt, I invite you to read the following NYT article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=1&#038;oref=slogin</a></p>
<p>In the end, it doesn&#8217;t truly matter what name someone chooses to go by. What matters is their contribution to the community over a period of time. Individuals can come to be regarded as pillars of the online community whether they are known as &#8220;Mr.Sillypants&#8221; or &#8220;John H. Smith&#8221; based on their actions and contributions.</p>
<p>Additionally, in the very short term, after one vitriolic comment, knowing my real name isn&#8217;t going to do you a whole lot of good. However, requiring a credit card, or a driver&#8217;s license, or a passport, etc, simply raises barriers to entry. One of the beautiful things about the internet is that the barriers to entry are dropping every second, and people can communicate relatively free of the initial stigmas and biases that persistently arise in meatspace based on things like clothes, age, sex, class, orientation, race and citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: Poet Horton</title>
		<link>http://strange.corante.com/2006/06/04/comment-is-fked#comment-2042</link>
		<dc:creator>Poet Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reading the comments to your much controversial issue of the ability to do anything online while being completely anonymous these days. I have to agree whole hearted with comment numbered 6, that I have pasted below written by Paul ColettiÂ§

"....Let's start a campaign for real names in the blogosphere (credit card-verified like they do on amazon)."

Where do I sign Paul?
Shiny Up,
Poet Horton
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reading the comments to your much controversial issue of the ability to do anything online while being completely anonymous these days. I have to agree whole hearted with comment numbered 6, that I have pasted below written by Paul ColettiÂ§</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.Let&#8217;s start a campaign for real names in the blogosphere (credit card-verified like they do on amazon).&#8221;</p>
<p>Where do I sign Paul?<br />
Shiny Up,<br />
Poet Horton</p>
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		<title>By: Kendall Sue</title>
		<link>http://strange.corante.com/2006/06/04/comment-is-fked#comment-2041</link>
		<dc:creator>Kendall Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all have a right to our opinions and also a right to our privacy.  As a single mother, I don't want every yahoo knowing exatctly who I am and how to find me so what is the argument all about in the first place.  I have a right to protect my privacy, don't I?  That's what allows me to comment freely in my blog and not worry that someone will know exactly who I am and possibly suffer reprocutions from such comments.  An I right to see it that way or wrong?  Guess that's a matter of opinion
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all have a right to our opinions and also a right to our privacy.  As a single mother, I don&#8217;t want every yahoo knowing exatctly who I am and how to find me so what is the argument all about in the first place.  I have a right to protect my privacy, don&#8217;t I?  That&#8217;s what allows me to comment freely in my blog and not worry that someone will know exactly who I am and possibly suffer reprocutions from such comments.  An I right to see it that way or wrong?  Guess that&#8217;s a matter of opinion</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://strange.corante.com/2006/06/04/comment-is-fked#comment-2040</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"First off, I want to say that I really admire the ambition of the Guardian Unlimited’s Comment is Free."

I disagree.  It came late in the game - well after dozens of other media based group blogging sites, and most of the articles are incredibly pedantic in tone.  Were it structured to augment the Guardian by allowing for additional information by readers, people disussing points, and publishing errata, it would make seem to have more to it than a yahoo group, but it doesn't.
One finds BBC correspondents transcribing their television and radio reports, as well as other grand and brave acts of recycling by them and other bloggers, but does very little to add to the print edition.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First off, I want to say that I really admire the ambition of the Guardian Unlimited’s Comment is Free.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree.  It came late in the game - well after dozens of other media based group blogging sites, and most of the articles are incredibly pedantic in tone.  Were it structured to augment the Guardian by allowing for additional information by readers, people disussing points, and publishing errata, it would make seem to have more to it than a yahoo group, but it doesn&#8217;t.<br />
One finds BBC correspondents transcribing their television and radio reports, as well as other grand and brave acts of recycling by them and other bloggers, but does very little to add to the print edition.</p>
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