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	<title>Comments on: Technical and cultural issues for &#8216;Networked Journalism&#8217; Part I</title>
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	<description>Picking out patterns in the chaos</description>
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		<title>By: Ray Tapajna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Tapajna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Alger, author and education consultant has a good overview about education and communications.
See "commucations by rank" about workers having no voice in the process of globalization.
Alger discusses Ray Tapajna's thoughts about this at http://www.experiencedesignernetwork.com/archives/000636.html
Ray is the artist and editor of Tapart News and Art that Talks at http://tapsearch.com/tapartnews/ and also has a separate site at http://tapsearch.com/flatworld which challenges the Flat World of Thomas Friedman.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Alger, author and education consultant has a good overview about education and communications.<br />
See &#8220;commucations by rank&#8221; about workers having no voice in the process of globalization.<br />
Alger discusses Ray Tapajna&#8217;s thoughts about this at <a href="http://www.experiencedesignernetwork.com/archives/000636.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.experiencedesignernetwork.com/archives/000636.html</a><br />
Ray is the artist and editor of Tapart News and Art that Talks at <a href="http://tapsearch.com/tapartnews/" rel="nofollow">http://tapsearch.com/tapartnews/</a> and also has a separate site at <a href="http://tapsearch.com/flatworld" rel="nofollow">http://tapsearch.com/flatworld</a> which challenges the Flat World of Thomas Friedman.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Tish was involved in the Media Giraffe summit (http://newshare.typepad.com/mgp2006 and go here http://mediagiraffe.org/ for the ongoing Media Giraffe project), which she refers to. I wanted to attend but just wasn't in the position to travel to the US when it was on. But the ethos of it was a lot more collaborative than other conferences that I've been to or heard of. Some of the discussions that were spawned by the conference inform this series of posts that I've been writing. As a matter of fact, if memory serves, Jeff Jarvis wrote his networked journalism post after sharing a ride with Jay Rosen after the Media Giraffe summit. Lots of good thoughts came out of that.

As for how to broaden the discussion, I'm very much of the 'just do it' attitude. And Steve, you're probably doing more than most.

best,
k
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Tish was involved in the Media Giraffe summit (http://newshare.typepad.com/mgp2006 and go here <a href="http://mediagiraffe.org/" rel="nofollow">http://mediagiraffe.org/</a> for the ongoing Media Giraffe project), which she refers to. I wanted to attend but just wasn&#8217;t in the position to travel to the US when it was on. But the ethos of it was a lot more collaborative than other conferences that I&#8217;ve been to or heard of. Some of the discussions that were spawned by the conference inform this series of posts that I&#8217;ve been writing. As a matter of fact, if memory serves, Jeff Jarvis wrote his networked journalism post after sharing a ride with Jay Rosen after the Media Giraffe summit. Lots of good thoughts came out of that.</p>
<p>As for how to broaden the discussion, I&#8217;m very much of the &#8216;just do it&#8217; attitude. And Steve, you&#8217;re probably doing more than most.</p>
<p>best,<br />
k</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tish,

Thanks for your thoughts.  How do you suggest to widen the discussion about citizen journalism?  Do we create a "astro turf" (think grassroots) viral marketing campaign on MySpace, YouTube, and digg?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tish,</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts.  How do you suggest to widen the discussion about citizen journalism?  Do we create a &#8220;astro turf&#8221; (think grassroots) viral marketing campaign on MySpace, YouTube, and digg?</p>
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		<title>By: tish grier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tish grier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kevin,

As much as "citizen journalism" is something of a misnomer, the idea that what is done by "the people" as a "wisdom of crowds" thing in citizen journalism is a misperception perpetuated, I think, by people who spend more time writing theories about citizen journalism than they do researching and reading citizen journalism cites.

Many citizen journalism projects/sites are maintaned by smart folks who are passionate about something and who are no less qualified or brilliant than any j-school grad.  Many simply aren't willing to leave behind their current money-earning professions to write official professional journalism (the definition of which, I might add, varies) Consider the ph.d'd biologist who writes "citizen" articles on politics.

Further, many of cit. j. projects involve former or current journalists.  So Jeff's idea of networked journalism is already occuring on a number of citizen journalism sites. (Interesting that Jeff came to his idea after 2 days at the U.Mass Media Giraffe Project conference. wonder if he'd managed to talk to some of the citizen journalists who were there...)

Some fine examples of this are The New Haven Independent or the Chi-Town Daily News or ePluribus Media (which is a combined effort of journal/timelines/community, etc.)

This is just a small citizen journalism, guys. If more folks would take the time to investigate the genre, they might have better, more productive conversations about it.

Best,
Tish
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin,</p>
<p>As much as &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; is something of a misnomer, the idea that what is done by &#8220;the people&#8221; as a &#8220;wisdom of crowds&#8221; thing in citizen journalism is a misperception perpetuated, I think, by people who spend more time writing theories about citizen journalism than they do researching and reading citizen journalism cites.</p>
<p>Many citizen journalism projects/sites are maintaned by smart folks who are passionate about something and who are no less qualified or brilliant than any j-school grad.  Many simply aren&#8217;t willing to leave behind their current money-earning professions to write official professional journalism (the definition of which, I might add, varies) Consider the ph.d&#8217;d biologist who writes &#8220;citizen&#8221; articles on politics.</p>
<p>Further, many of cit. j. projects involve former or current journalists.  So Jeff&#8217;s idea of networked journalism is already occuring on a number of citizen journalism sites. (Interesting that Jeff came to his idea after 2 days at the U.Mass Media Giraffe Project conference. wonder if he&#8217;d managed to talk to some of the citizen journalists who were there&#8230;)</p>
<p>Some fine examples of this are The New Haven Independent or the Chi-Town Daily News or ePluribus Media (which is a combined effort of journal/timelines/community, etc.)</p>
<p>This is just a small citizen journalism, guys. If more folks would take the time to investigate the genre, they might have better, more productive conversations about it.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Tish</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely Robert,

You hit on a really critical point which is to look at all of these connections and networks outside of media sites. One of the things I bang away at all the time is how we in the media tend to think of user generated content only as something that comes through our web sites. Send us your pics, your comments, and such. But there is so much more going on outside of our sites. Again, that kind of collaboration is another opportunity that most media organisations are missing.

I also agree. This is just journalism, just adapted to new realities and new tools. The power of it is so obvious to those of us who do it. As Steve pointed out on his blog last week, it's really  powerful. We managed to speak with someone in Mumbai over Skype last week when all of the phone networks were struggling. And people in India are sending us audio messages using Odeo.

best,
k
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely Robert,</p>
<p>You hit on a really critical point which is to look at all of these connections and networks outside of media sites. One of the things I bang away at all the time is how we in the media tend to think of user generated content only as something that comes through our web sites. Send us your pics, your comments, and such. But there is so much more going on outside of our sites. Again, that kind of collaboration is another opportunity that most media organisations are missing.</p>
<p>I also agree. This is just journalism, just adapted to new realities and new tools. The power of it is so obvious to those of us who do it. As Steve pointed out on his blog last week, it&#8217;s really  powerful. We managed to speak with someone in Mumbai over Skype last week when all of the phone networks were struggling. And people in India are sending us audio messages using Odeo.</p>
<p>best,<br />
k</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken from Jeff, yourself, Neil and others about "citizen journalism" - unnecessarily restrictive barrier. Those of us who have been thinking about this stuff for years *know* what we mean. Is the problem that it's not being communicated with the right phrase? Is "networked journalism" an attempt to put that right? Why not just "journalism"? So many questions...

Anyway, Kevin, let's not forget that "networked journalism" can apply equally to the relationships between (former) audience members and not just between the (former) audience and the (former) producer. Sharing of information between people can create the kind of jigsaw effect that can *build* a story - plug professional journalists into that as well (often after much of the grassroots muckraking has been done nowdays, to be honest) and you have something powerful. One would hate to cite Rathergate or Trent Lott as an example again... so I'll remind ourselves who broke the story - the *correct* story - about John Edwards' VP candidature.

Wisdom-of-crowds journalism. Connections are wonderful things.
"Crowd-sourcing"'s already gone - but journalists can certainly use the crowd's efforts as their source.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken from Jeff, yourself, Neil and others about &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; - unnecessarily restrictive barrier. Those of us who have been thinking about this stuff for years *know* what we mean. Is the problem that it&#8217;s not being communicated with the right phrase? Is &#8220;networked journalism&#8221; an attempt to put that right? Why not just &#8220;journalism&#8221;? So many questions&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, Kevin, let&#8217;s not forget that &#8220;networked journalism&#8221; can apply equally to the relationships between (former) audience members and not just between the (former) audience and the (former) producer. Sharing of information between people can create the kind of jigsaw effect that can *build* a story - plug professional journalists into that as well (often after much of the grassroots muckraking has been done nowdays, to be honest) and you have something powerful. One would hate to cite Rathergate or Trent Lott as an example again&#8230; so I&#8217;ll remind ourselves who broke the story - the *correct* story - about John Edwards&#8217; VP candidature.</p>
<p>Wisdom-of-crowds journalism. Connections are wonderful things.<br />
&#8220;Crowd-sourcing&#8221;&#8217;s already gone - but journalists can certainly use the crowd&#8217;s efforts as their source.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the term citizen journalism has created an artificial divide that has hampered collaboration between traditional journalists and the public..."  That reminds me of my Nevada Public Radio interview last Thursday.  The host was trying to dig into me as a blogger about credibility and objectivity.  I responded that with people like Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes, Chris Matthews, Lou Dobbs, etc. in US cable news, it appears that at least the American MSM welcomes people who aren't objective.  They want people who rabidly take stances.  Way to go American MSM!

Sadly I would say that attention-deficit journalism seems accurate...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the term citizen journalism has created an artificial divide that has hampered collaboration between traditional journalists and the public&#8230;&#8221;  That reminds me of my Nevada Public Radio interview last Thursday.  The host was trying to dig into me as a blogger about credibility and objectivity.  I responded that with people like Bill O&#8217;Reilly, Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes, Chris Matthews, Lou Dobbs, etc. in US cable news, it appears that at least the American MSM welcomes people who aren&#8217;t objective.  They want people who rabidly take stances.  Way to go American MSM!</p>
<p>Sadly I would say that attention-deficit journalism seems accurate&#8230;</p>
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