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	<title>Comments on: NMKForum07: Calacanis condemns &#8216;internet pollution&#8217;</title>
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	<description>Picking out patterns in the chaos</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Heenan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Heenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have bias of the worst kind.  Nearly all the links are 'big sites' - often mahalo's corporate partners. That makes for boring, homogenised results of no interest to Human Beings.

ODP and wikipedia ain't perfect - but neither is mortgaged to big business.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have bias of the worst kind.  Nearly all the links are &#8216;big sites&#8217; - often mahalo&#8217;s corporate partners. That makes for boring, homogenised results of no interest to Human Beings.</p>
<p>ODP and wikipedia ain&#8217;t perfect - but neither is mortgaged to big business.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Delaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic coverage of the day, Kevin. Thank you very much. Just to note that podcasts of every session are also available in iTunes here:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=257612679


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic coverage of the day, Kevin. Thank you very much. Just to note that podcasts of every session are also available in iTunes here:<br />
<a href="http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=257612679" rel="nofollow">http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=257612679</a></p>
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		<title>By: alan patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall reading once that it is mathematically impossible to stop biases, you just have to ensure there is a big enough sample set to cancel them out. Of course right now I can't find it on Google, it must be biased :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall reading once that it is mathematically impossible to stop biases, you just have to ensure there is a big enough sample set to cancel them out. Of course right now I can&#8217;t find it on Google, it must be biased <img src='http://strange.corante.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Suw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible to eradicate bias at all, though? Or should we just have lots of different biases to even things out?

If Google's algorithm  has some sort of unintentional bias, there's no way we'll ever know because it's a black box - we can't see inside it, and we can't see what it might be missing out.

If a group of underemployed people in LA, or even Liverpool la, are compiling search results, each will have their own bias, and the challenge is not eradicating that bias, but ensuring an even spread of bias so that it just cancels itself out overall.

This reminds me of voting. An error in an evoting machine causes a systemic miscount because the error is the same every time someone votes: if a vote for Jason goes to Euan, it will do so every time. With pencil and paper, the errors are human and variable, so someone might vote for Euan when they meant to vote for Jason, but the next person might make the error the other way round, and over all the vote is an accurate reflection of the will of the people.

Question is, can Mahalo be more like pen and paper than evoting?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible to eradicate bias at all, though? Or should we just have lots of different biases to even things out?</p>
<p>If Google&#8217;s algorithm  has some sort of unintentional bias, there&#8217;s no way we&#8217;ll ever know because it&#8217;s a black box - we can&#8217;t see inside it, and we can&#8217;t see what it might be missing out.</p>
<p>If a group of underemployed people in LA, or even Liverpool la, are compiling search results, each will have their own bias, and the challenge is not eradicating that bias, but ensuring an even spread of bias so that it just cancels itself out overall.</p>
<p>This reminds me of voting. An error in an evoting machine causes a systemic miscount because the error is the same every time someone votes: if a vote for Jason goes to Euan, it will do so every time. With pencil and paper, the errors are human and variable, so someone might vote for Euan when they meant to vote for Jason, but the next person might make the error the other way round, and over all the vote is an accurate reflection of the will of the people.</p>
<p>Question is, can Mahalo be more like pen and paper than evoting?</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, very quality work, impressively thorough,
As an American, I think american journalists could learn alot from work like this, well done.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, very quality work, impressively thorough,<br />
As an American, I think american journalists could learn alot from work like this, well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Euan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Euan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too get accused of being a naive optimist Jason and I worked at the BBC for 21 years so I know they knock the spots off what you mostly get in the US!

I made my comment in the sense that steering a way through all the possible biases, many of them inadvertent, when you put the power to decide quality in the hands of a few people is non-trivial and in some ways takes us back into the world of conventional media which many of us are increasingly wary of.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too get accused of being a naive optimist Jason and I worked at the BBC for 21 years so I know they knock the spots off what you mostly get in the US!</p>
<p>I made my comment in the sense that steering a way through all the possible biases, many of them inadvertent, when you put the power to decide quality in the hands of a few people is non-trivial and in some ways takes us back into the world of conventional media which many of us are increasingly wary of.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post... thanks for the feedback.

RE Euan saying i'm naive, I'd rather be a naive optimist than a hopeless cynic. :-)

best,

jason
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post&#8230; thanks for the feedback.</p>
<p>RE Euan saying i&#8217;m naive, I&#8217;d rather be a naive optimist than a hopeless cynic. <img src='http://strange.corante.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
best,</p>
<p>jason</p>
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