You write: “We don’t believe that there’s any evidence to show that there future is as bleak for journalist graduates as you paint it.”

I understand that belief, but the statistics show otherwise. Consider the gradual decline of fulltime employed journalists in the US, as reported in “The American Journalist in the 21st Century” (book published by LEA in 2007). The representative surveys show the overall number of fulltime journalists working for mainstream, English-language traditional news media dropped from an estimated 122,015 in 1992 to an estimated 116,148 in 2002. The largest drops were for journalists working for daily newspapers and radio stations. The largest increases were for those working for weekly (or nondaily) newspapers and television (information courtesy of my IU colleague and co-author of that book David Weaver).

Another good source are the Annual Surveys of Journalism and Mass Communication Graduates (conducted since 1988), which are designed to monitor the employment rates and salaries of graduates of journalism and mass communication programs in the United States, including Puerto Rico. Let me quote from their website: “Graduates of U.S. journalism and mass communication programs confronted a weakened job market in 2006 and early 2007 [...] the journalism and mass communication job market still lags behind what it was in 2000, the year that represents the most favorable market for graduates in the last 20 years.” (see an earlier debate on this issue between Nicholas Carr and Mark Glaser).

So yes, companies investing in technology play catch-up, but this at the same time depopulates the field of journalism.

Also, studies of workplace cultures in news organization show consistently that journalists that ARE employed today spend almost ALL of their time at their desks/computers, as all this great technology forces them to manage more and more content (that is indeed the job title of many journalists today: content manager) rather than going out to “report the story.”

Then you state: “Certainly, saying that journalism students will never get a full time or permanent job is an exaggeration.” No, it is not an exaggeration, I’m afraid. Statistics offered by a 2006 report of the International Federation of Journalists & International Labor Organization show that at least 30% of ALL journalists in Europe and North America have “atypical” work (that means: temporary, subcontracted, project-based, part time, freelance, or otherwise contingent). That percentage for those reporters under the age of 30 is higher: its the majority.

Additionally, I’ve been talking with freelance journalists and their associations in many countries over the summer (USA, South Africa, Netherlands, UK), and one thing they all confirm is that many, if not most young/newcoming journalists do not even show up in these numbers because they earn more than 50% of their salary not from news organizations, but by PR/advertising/marketing work (copywriting mostly), as all the work in journalism has been fragmented - much like is quite common in the film and TV industries.

to be sure, I appreciate the comment that none of this is new - it has always been tough getting into journalism. the change is: supportive working conditions and legitimate expectations of employers investing in the careers of their workers. those things are, generally speaking, gone.

also, your observation about internet penetration/adoption rates. I suggest you look at the statistics of the people of the Oxford Internet Institute and the World Internet Project. their research consistently shows the digital divide is not only structural, but also deepening.

furthermore, internet adoption is not the same as actual usage. The experimental studies I know on media access and use suggest that most people - even those happily online, higher educated, high socio-economic status - have a hard time understanding online formats/genres.

Finally, you state: “The truth is, people are getting their news online”. Generally speaking they do not: just about every scientific survey among a representative sample of the general population - and THAT is the group journalism has a social responsibility towards - shows local/national TV and newspapers are far more used, trusted and relied upon for general news than internet.

Again: I am pro-Web 2.0, excited about participatory media culture, and agree that journalism as a whole can benefit from all that this has to offer.

but you can only expect reporters and editors to do so if they are supported in meaningful ways, if they are included in managerial strategies, if they are empowered to innovate from the bottom-up - rather than being told to either adapt to the brand new 3-million dollar Content Management System or get out.

it would be interesting to find out which news organization truly “get it”, and invest in their workers, engage with their communities, embrace technology to the extent it really contributes to quality reporting, and where all stakeholders (reporters, editors, audiences, clients, sponsors, sources) feel part of the conversation?

You say that we “suffer from a less than realistic or at least grounded view”. Our views are influenced by working in or with news organisations and in social media. Both of us are working ‘at the coal face’, dealing with these issues on a day to day basis. We’re far from having our heads in the clouds. The reality is that news companies are working to grow the digital side of their business as quickly as possible. And executives are working to grow the digital business to support quality journalism and the ’social mission’ of journalism, as one New York Times executive called it recently.

But as Steve Yelvington pointed out (http://www.yelvington.com/20070815/why_henry_blodget_is_wrong_about_newspaper_business_models) earlier in the year, the newspaper industry has seen a decline in readership stemming back to the early 1970s, long before the internet became an issue. He says that the problem is “not a migration of consumption from [...] print products to [...] internet products. The core problem face by newspapers is a loss of readers across the board.”

The way that the industry is responding to this pressure includes outsourcing, layoffs and “downsizing”, some of which is necessary, but some of which is being done clumsily, to say the least. In no way do we condone poor management decisions, but the internet is not to blame for that. A lack of understanding of the core problems faced by the media - and even less understanding of the internet, its effects and opportunities - amongst both management and journalists is a serious problem and recent discussions such as this one show that there is still a long way to go with that. If there is investment in “technology rather than new talent” as you say, it’s because news organisations, especially newspapers, have under-invested in technology for the last decade to adapt and take advantage of the internet. The view that somehow news organisations are ’stripping’ their traditional businesses to support digital ventures exaggerates a shift in funding priorities.

We don’t believe that there’s any evidence to show that there future is as bleak for journalist graduates as you paint it. Yes, there may be fewer jobs and that graduates may have to have a broader skillset, but this sort of issue is not restricted to journalism. Indeed, Suw graduated with a degree in Geology, but come graduation one needed a Masters or Doctorate to get a job because many of the traditional entry-level jobs had dried up as the oil companies put a freeze on recruitment.

Certainly, saying that journalism students will never get a full time or permanent job is an exaggeration. Equally, sticking heads in the sand and saying that journalists shouldn’t have to learn new skills is deeply unrealistic. All sorts of people in all sorts of careers are having to learn new skills because of recent advances in technology - secretaries are having to learn how to use wikis, for example, something that I suspect no one would have predicted even five years ago.

As for this being an extraordinarily grim time in journalism, Kevin can’t remember a time during his 15-year journalism career that the business has not been under pressure or, indeed, full blown crisis. Shortly after getting his first job, a spike in newsprint costs led to a hiring freeze. His second job was at a local television station. After a change in ownership, in typical fashion a new general manager led a Stalinist purge of middle and upper management, installing his own people. And after the dot.com crash, most of his friends in online journalism lost their jobs. Many left journalism entirely.

Of course hardworking journalists should be paid for their work - we don’t argue otherwise. But that job is changing, and that change is inevitable. The journalists best placed to take advantage of the changes that the industry is undergoing are the ones who embrace it.

You say that not everyone is not online - but internet adoption in the UK is at 61% according to National Statistics (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=8) and generally speaking, adoption is increasing. The truth is, people are getting their news online, from both traditional news outlets like the BBC or the Guardian, and they are increasingly referring to blogs too. It is, of course, important that we have professional journalists, but this isn’t an either/or world - we can have professional journalists *and* bloggers *and* eye-witness reports.

Parallel to the Web 2.0 and convergence/multimedia trends in the news industry are reports on a constant stream of outsourcing (of editorial jobs to India and elsewhere; the WSJ calls this “remote control journalism”), downsizing and lay-offs, reporters forced to stay deskbound to rewrite agency copy, investments that go almost exclusively towards new Technology rather than new Talent, and news sites that proudly announce to go “hyperlocal” (in a celebration of Web 2.0) while at the same time firing tens to hundreds of reporters.

Now you may be very excited about all of this, but this is has nothing to with natural selection, with weeding out the good from the bad, and you cannot expect the “real” journalistic talent will come out on top, regardless.

in a very real sense the profession is being dismantled and depopulated from all sides. newcomers and young journalists will never ever receive fulltime or permanent contracts let alone benefits, money for training, or paid overtime.

yet at the same time our expectations of the work of professional journalists skyrocket (and rightly so). but let us not forget the vast majority of professional journalists have to do their work in a context where they have seen their co-workers fired, their innovative ideas squashed (by a self-interested managerial culture), and their chance to tell stories outsourced to “citizen reporters.”

I’m not defending a rigid, outdated view on journalism - but i AM defending the right of hardworking professionals to be supported and empowered in trying to do their work.

let us not forget that the vast majority of people in our countries (whether US or UK or elsewhere) are NOT online, do NOT read blogs, and are equally important citizens to be served by quality information that has been gathered and selected by people who can be held professionally accountable.

oh yeah: Web 2.0 is great.

Good writing and interesting opinion can be done just as well by citizens as paid journalists (and sometimes better).

Newsgathering can be supplemented significantly by citizens.

Rewriting agency copy and press releases increasingly seems a questionable activity when you can link.

But good investigative journalism which requiries investment and committment could be one of the key growth areas.

http://nickreynoldsatwork.wordpress.com/2007/10/31/strange-practices-and-other-opinions/

As for quasi-religious, I left the Church of Journalism a while ago, and as far as point scoring, we’re not even playing the same game as Donnacha.

DD is a man:

Donnacha Delong is a member of the NUJ Multi-Media Commission. He represents new media journalists on the union’s National Executive Council.

oops.

So 1,500 words duly delivered… without addressing her main points. No, not everyone can play Manchester United, let alone beat them. The taste of power is an illusion.

Game and first set: Donnacha.

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