Comments on: Recommendations (version 2) http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2 Picking out patterns in the chaos Tue, 22 May 2012 21:36:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: cyberdoyle http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2#comment-7747 cyberdoyle Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:04:29 +0000 http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2#comment-7747 Wasn't meaning you personally was missing the point, just that any report advising anyone about the uses of social media has to contain a disclaimer reminding people that it will never be mainstream until the infrastructure is in place to support it. Your report is working to get the civil infrastructure and training in place. My goal is to get the physical network in place to support you. We both work to the same goal. Unfortunately your cause has many champions, mine doesn't, so I do the best I can. Like a candle in the wind. Or as they like to call the JGDI crews, - a yoghurt knitter. I don't mind repeatedly commenting on blogs to make this point. I have no budget to keep within, seeing as I don't get paid for any of my work, I am a volunteer for the people of digitalbritain. ;) Point made, kudos for not deleting my rant from your excellent report on using social media. chris Wasn’t meaning you personally was missing the point, just that any report advising anyone about the uses of social media has to contain a disclaimer reminding people that it will never be mainstream until the infrastructure is in place to support it. Your report is working to get the civil infrastructure and training in place. My goal is to get the physical network in place to support you. We both work to the same goal. Unfortunately your cause has many champions, mine doesn’t, so I do the best I can. Like a candle in the wind. Or as they like to call the JGDI crews, - a yoghurt knitter. I don’t mind repeatedly commenting on blogs to make this point. I have no budget to keep within, seeing as I don’t get paid for any of my work, I am a volunteer for the people of digitalbritain. ;)
Point made, kudos for not deleting my rant from your excellent report on using social media.
chris

]]> By: Suw Charman-Anderson http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2#comment-7740 Suw Charman-Anderson Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:43:46 +0000 http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2#comment-7740 Chris, I'm not missing the point at all, as the report that this post was a part of was not to look at existing infrastructure, but to look at the use of and attitudes towards social media by civil society associations. Nor could I have included a section on infrastructure given the time and budget constraints. It was hard enough to get the essentials done. That doesn't mean I don't agree that broadband access is important. Always on internet radically changed my usage patterns, and I'm sure that a study would find that is not an uncommon story. And of course I agree that we need to radically improve broadband access. I would love to write a report that ties all these issues together - but this report wasn't it. Chris, I’m not missing the point at all, as the report that this post was a part of was not to look at existing infrastructure, but to look at the use of and attitudes towards social media by civil society associations. Nor could I have included a section on infrastructure given the time and budget constraints. It was hard enough to get the essentials done.

That doesn’t mean I don’t agree that broadband access is important. Always on internet radically changed my usage patterns, and I’m sure that a study would find that is not an uncommon story. And of course I agree that we need to radically improve broadband access. I would love to write a report that ties all these issues together - but this report wasn’t it.

]]> By: cyberdoyle http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2#comment-7739 cyberdoyle Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:29:27 +0000 http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2#comment-7739 think your comments on social media are ok, but you are missing the point. The reason people aren't using it is because the general state of broadband in the uk is so poor they lose heart and don't engage. 90% of the uk land mass (cbn) can't get a good enough connection. Urban people in the other 10% choose cheap or free services. To operate a cheap service ISPS use high contention ratios, 200:1 is commonplace. To stream iPlayer you use half a meg. On an 'upto 8meg' feed 16 can stream. the other hundreds can't even load web pages. This means people don't learn how to use twitter or fb or any other social media. It takes them all their time to read email and surf - there are very few people happy with their connection, but they don't understand why it doesn't work. It doesn't work because we are trying to run next gen apps through 1st gen victorian copper phone network and calling it 'broadband'. It isn't. It is narrowband. We need fibre to every home. On ubiquitous affordable broadband. You can't expect this brave new world to happen without the infrastructure. This bit is missing from your post. chris. think your comments on social media are ok, but you are missing the point. The reason people aren’t using it is because the general state of broadband in the uk is so poor they lose heart and don’t engage. 90% of the uk land mass (cbn) can’t get a good enough connection. Urban people in the other 10% choose cheap or free services. To operate a cheap service ISPS use high contention ratios, 200:1 is commonplace. To stream iPlayer you use half a meg. On an ‘upto 8meg’ feed 16 can stream. the other hundreds can’t even load web pages.
This means people don’t learn how to use twitter or fb or any other social media. It takes them all their time to read email and surf - there are very few people happy with their connection, but they don’t understand why it doesn’t work. It doesn’t work because we are trying to run next gen apps through 1st gen victorian copper phone network and calling it ‘broadband’. It isn’t. It is narrowband. We need fibre to every home. On ubiquitous affordable broadband. You can’t expect this brave new world to happen without the infrastructure. This bit is missing from your post.
chris.

]]> By: Suw Charman-Anderson http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2#comment-6768 Suw Charman-Anderson Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:41:34 +0000 http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2#comment-6768 Hi Deb. Thanks for your comment. I go into the issue of constant flux in another part of the report in more detail, and allude to it in the recommendations, so hopefully that will get the point across! and yes, good point about cost being not just marketing but core business. I'll see if there's a way to work that point in somewhere. Hi Deb. Thanks for your comment. I go into the issue of constant flux in another part of the report in more detail, and allude to it in the recommendations, so hopefully that will get the point across!

and yes, good point about cost being not just marketing but core business. I’ll see if there’s a way to work that point in somewhere.

]]> By: deb polson http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2#comment-6762 deb polson Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:59:58 +0000 http://strange.corante.com/2009/07/07/recommendations-version-2#comment-6762 Great article. Thanks! Not only is social media 'experiential in nature'... it is also in constant flux. The centre of popular/effective social media interactions changes (my space - facebook - twitter - ?)... the tools change, services change, behaviors change... I think the consistent thing for any organisation is understanding the reationships between individual and organisational motivations... (as you clearly state) which of course, are also in constant flux. .. but a strategy for maximising sustainable practices and responding with flexibility is a tall order for most... i realise. But I have found many many organisations completely overlooking the natural habits of their related communities first... then... and when considering a 'budget' for social media... too many orgs limit the potential of the social tools by considering them exclusively as a 'marketing' cost/activity... rather than actual internal/external core business... production.... communication... etc Your ideas about training for staff and encouraging experimentation are 'bulk excellent'! Thanks again... Deb Great article. Thanks!

Not only is social media ‘experiential in nature’… it is also in constant flux. The centre of popular/effective social media interactions changes (my space - facebook - twitter - ?)… the tools change, services change, behaviors change… I think the consistent thing for any organisation is understanding the reationships between individual and organisational motivations… (as you clearly state) which of course, are also in constant flux. .. but a strategy for maximising sustainable practices and responding with flexibility is a tall order for most… i realise. But I have found many many organisations completely overlooking the natural habits of their related communities first… then…

and when considering a ‘budget’ for social media… too many orgs limit the potential of the social tools by considering them exclusively as a ‘marketing’ cost/activity… rather than actual internal/external core business… production…. communication… etc

Your ideas about training for staff and encouraging experimentation are ‘bulk excellent’!

Thanks again…
Deb

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